The Fall of Matt Moore

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  1. I don’t know what to say to you because I don’t really know you but I just hope you stop feeling this hate towards others. I know you think that being gay is a sin but is hating others or making them feel like less of a human being really what you want to do with you life. I respect the fact that you are such a firm believer of Christianity but I really hope you reconsider your opinion on this matter. There are so many teens and adults hating themselves and sometimes even killing themselves telling them that they are sinners will only make that worse.

    I sincerely hope that you won’t just delete this comment and will at least try to understand my point of view as I have yours.

    • Marching to drums, I can understand why you perceive this to be hate. However, I have nothing but love for my many LGBT friends. And I do have a number of them. If you are not in the church, then it is not my place to judge you, but if you are in the church then according to Matthew 18 I have the responsibility to encourage and admonish my brothers and sisters in their faith. Matt Moore is a brother in the faith and this was an issue that fell outside the bounds of Christian Conduct. As for anyone outside of the church, I have no say in your lifestyle. I love you all as well, and I put much effort into sharing my faith with you and living a life of love and respect for all people, trying to shine the light of Jesus to all – I fail as well, and when I do, I confess my sins to my God and whom I sinned against and trust that I am forgiven in Jesus as he is revealed in the Bible.

      While it is true that I do not agree with the LGBT lifestyle I do not attack those who live that lifestyle, that is not my place to do so. I believe that all people are created in the image of God, that is, we are all image bearers of the creator, and we are all sinful and in this broken world that image we bear has been marred – that is, nobody is perfect, not me, not you, no one. So, if I truly love you, I will care about your eternal soul, and not your temporal feelings, that means that i will present the gospel message to you in love – not hate.

      • While I still do not agree with your stance I am glad to hear that you are willing to live and let live. I am Christian though I am not a believer in certain aspects of what people teach. I didn’t mean to undermine your character, I guess I’m so used to people either hating or being completely accepting of LGBT community that I jumped to a conclusion. It was not my place to try and change your opinion and as long as you are trying to spread love it is really not my place to judge your beliefs. I am a bit disconcerted by Shawn comparing being gay to a drug addiction but that aside I have no further complaint.

    • Shawn says:

      Hi Marchingtodrums, In my analogy to addiction, I just mean that they are both struggles with something God calls sinful in His word. Both (drunkeness and homosexuality) are in the list of sins in 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 which states:

      “9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”

      I apologize if the analogy doesn’t relate perfectly (hardly any analogies are perfect).

      I want to add that the beauty of the passage is verse 11. We can be washed, sanctified and justified of our sins by Jesus Christ and the Spirit of God.

      Also, I’m a sinner, I’m a sin addict, and in constant need of forgiveness so I want to let you know I had no intention of offence or judging. I simply want God to be glorified and for the truth of His word to be spoken.

      • Marching, if you are a Christian, that is, if you believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour, all I ask is that you truly seek the him as he is revealed in scripture. Cry out to him and he will hear you. On that last day when we stand in glory, I want to stand next to you, so please heed the words of the Apostle in 2 Peter 1 and make your calling and election sure. At the end of the day this is of utmost importance. Peace and blessings to you my friend.

        1 Peter 2:3-11:
        “His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

        For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, mutual affection; and to mutual affection, love. 8 For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins.

        Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to confirm your calling and election. For if you do these things, you will never stumble, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”

  2. Don’t just like—LOVE!

  3. Shawn says:

    Marchingtodrums, I believe that OneChristianDad is being honest and Biblical in his views here, and I believe that is, the most loving thing one can do. Telling people what they want to hear is not always what is best for them. Telling them what they need to hear on the other hand can be the most loving and caring thing you can do. Yes, you have to do it in a loving manor, which I believe OneChristianDad has done. If you have a family member who is addicted to drugs and his life is crashing before your eyes you don’t just say “keep doing it, I love you”. You tell them they need to stop, and you help them, you tell them they have the power to stop, and there is hope in being freed from their addiction. Is that also unloving – because you are not telling them what they want to hear.

    He has not condemned anybody, he has said, “yes we sin, but we are forgiven by Jesus Christ’s death.” He included himself. Its reality, we all have sinned, and we all do need a Saviour. Jesus Christ is that Saviour. He can comfort us in our down times. He can be that friend when we are alone. We don’t have to hate ourselves because Jesus has forgiven us. All we have to do is accept Him. We can’t avoid the truth of the gospel, even though it does not always tell us what we want to hear.

  4. Ink says:

    My partner and I are regular readers of this blog. We are gay. *.-*SHOCKING!*-.* Why would we read such a hate spewing brainwashed bigot? Cuz he isn’t hun. Ryan has never been anything but loving towards my partner and I. We do not see eye to eye when it comes to sexuality, duh, but he has never condemned me for it. He rarely brings it up. When we have coffee, Ryan is open about his own struggles and explains how his god loves him in spite of it and sent Jesus to cover him. When he prays with us it is comfortable, honest and loving. He has never asked his god to change our sexuality when praying, he only prays that his god would open our hearts to the gospel that he loves. When he speaks of “sweet Jesus” and “loving father” and the “indwelling of the holy spirit” he is either bat shit crazy or he is on to something. He is different from any other Christian I have met. The first one who did not back away or look scared or condemn me when he found out I was gay. He is the only genuinely loving and caring christian I have met. The only time I have seen him hate anything other than his own sin is when he tried a non fat soy green tea latte.

    • Corrie says:

      “he is either bat shit crazy or he is on to something” I’d go with he is on to something if I were you : )

  5. LOL! I never thought I would see you comment here! Thanks for commenting and thanks for the defense of my character. Perhaps my prayers are working? And please never bring me one of those “coffees” ever again!

  6. PV says:

    You self righteous ignorant hater. You stupid right wing nut job, right wing pig. This is the problem in america, and this site is the face of hate. You are so ignorant. You full of disrespect and loathing for people who are not like yourself, you only understand people who agree with your bogotry who say that gay people are gross and nasty and useless.

    • I can see that you are angry. I want to engage you here, however if you want to continue to post comments I ask that you refrain from name calling and personal attacks or I will remove your comments. If you feel disrespected because of what I wrote, please let me know exactly what it is that is upsetting you. There is no hate here.

  7. The truth is I have struggled a lot with religion. I have a very religious parent and he is very disapproving and in complete denial of my sexuality. All my life people have used religion as a tool against me so it would be very hard to turn to something that calls one of my most basic traits a sin. I understand your wish for me to turn to God but can you in good conscience tell me to live a life in denial. If I did follow what you say and did deny my sexuality I could get married to a girl and my parents would be happy but I never would. It is not an addiction because it is not harming me (even- though you may not believe so) and I am a good person not despite it but because of it.

    Being gay and seeing so much bigotry and being subjected to that everyday has had a profound effect on my life. Instead of being jaded and believing that I was mistake or that I was condemned to hell I tried to make myself a better person. Seeing all the bigotry from so many others inspired me to accept others even when I don’t understand them. Your stance is one that I am against but because I know what it’s like to be hated and to feel like people don’t understand I work to understand other people and if I cannot do that then I as long as they are not hurting anyone I will let them alone as I wish some others would do to me.

    I really do appreciate your thoughts and the fact that you only want whats best for me but at least in this case our opinions will continue to differ. I wish you the best because both of us seem to have messages of love, just a little bit different from each other.